: on the one hand, you have two cliches. one is, seeing is believing. and in this case, i don't think seeing is believing, if she's guilty of this brutal murder. i mean, just look at her. appearances can be deceiving, maybe that's the other cliche. when the prosecution rested in the capital murder trial of jodi arias, the defense argued that her life should be spared and it shouldn't be murder 1 wrap because the state had failed to prove premeditation. the prosecutor scoffed at that notion, pointing out that among other things, the defendant -- that pretty -- you know, sweet-looking, young lady there brought a gun and a knife to the poor man, travis alexander -- the victim's home. but what i don't understand was why she killed him so savagely. what the hell was going on in her mind, 27 knife wounds, slit throat, gunshot to the head and all the rest of it. she looks so innocent. >> like i said, appearances, obviously deceiving. what was it about jodi? what did my next guest see in her that is so disturbed them that they wanted them out of their home. jacob and holly medford are here. it wasn'